Red Hat Summit Executive Briefing w/ Derrick Sutherland

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In today’s episode, we’re breaking down major announcements from the Red Hat Summit

Derrick Sutherland, Senior Practice Manager at Shadow-Soft, joins the show to provide his take on the news.

Topics covered:

  • How Red Hat OpenShift Platform Plus will impact customers
  • Red Hat’s move into data science
  • What customers should understand about Red Hat Edge

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You are listening to application modernization, a show that spotlights the forward thinking leaders of Highgro software companies. From scaling applications and accelerating time to market to avoiding expensive license and costs, we discuss how you can innovate with new technology and forward thinking processes and save some cash in the process. Let's get into it. Thanks for joining the application modernization podcast. We have something new for you today. We have a couple of our team members talking about some of the new changes rolled out with open shift plus from Red Hat. These are exciting feature sets that are being rolled out to the community to help with the adoption of Gubernetti's from Red Hat perspective, we spend a lot of time at Shat us off focusing on red hat technologies and helping customers adopt their technologies to help solve business problems. So today you'll hear from Derek and from Ross on our team talking about the announcements in the changes and how that could impact customers going for thanks to red hat for their continued support of the application modernization podcast. Hey Derek, welcome to our red HAT executive briefing. Hey Man, thanks for having me so, Derek, we're going to spend some time today recapping some key announcements from red hat summit and you're going to speak to your point of view on some of these announcements. Before we get started, can you introduce yourself and tell us a bit more about what you do at shut us off? Yeah, so I'm Derek Souther one. I've been at shut us off for seven years as of yesterday. Actually, my role currently as I'm acting as a senior practice leader, which essentially means that I oversee all of our consulting engagements from a technical perspective and a customer success perspect so I'm involved at advance level trouble shooting, assessments, advisement around architecture, design and all the things in between, right, so that's mainly where I focus. Awesome. So the first announcement that we heard at red hat summit was around open...

...shift plus. You know, my understanding of this new solution is it includes red hats, advanced multicluster security features, day to management capabilities and a global container registry, and it really it builds on the red hat open shift platform and provides sort of more security for Dev Sek ops. What are your thoughts on this? Announcement. How do you think it's going to impact customers? Yeah, so I think it's it's a little bit more than just the features here, right. When red hat a few months ago release their open shift COUBERNETTI's engine, referencing right, they made us actually two different tiers for their platform, the COUBERNETTI's engine and the container platform. But I think what they quickly realized is that they wanted another tier up because if you watch what red hats done and maybe even the last eighteen months to two years, they've tried to create more bundled like features out of their product portfolio. And I don't know if that's because the acquisition of IBM or what actually, you know, was the catalyst for that. I would think it as some in some relation to that, right, but it's worked for the JABOSS portfolio. You know that J boss it, I think we can all agree at this point, is not necessarily what red hat has been wanting it to be in the microservices space, and so what they've instead done is they've expanded to be three different categories that include everything from, you know, microservice bace language is like corcus and Spring boot, right, and then extending that even further to have automation packages and it all as a bundled tearing effect will. It seems that with open shift plus they're doing the same thing. They're making a third tier in their open shift packaging. Right. So they have okay, which essentially is open shifts COUPERNETTI's engine by itself with Horros some administrative consoling and then the open shift virtualization built in. But what it lacks in that version is the log aggregation system the developer experienced, you know, their service Mesh implementation, things...

...like that, to make it a more cohesive cuernas ecosystem. Well, open shift plus just builds upon that because there's other things developers have needed in engineers have needed outside of those toolings. Part of it has been the container industry, which is quay, which is now baked in with that bundled package rather than being a separate solution, a bigger one that I would call out as ACM actually, which, for those listening, ACM is advanced cluster manager, right. So that's what allows you to do open shift at scale across multiple clusters management to make your life a lot easier. That was always an add on, but now it's included as part of a larger bundle. And I think the one thing you dig make mentioned to you that I think is really interesting here is the advanced cluster security which God announced technically, I think, in February, but it was its own kind of thing and we didn't know how it was going to get bundled or how was it to get put out there. But now it's a part of open shift plus. And what's unique about this? I shouldn't necessarily in nest say unique, but I would allude to the fact that they're differentiating themselves in the space right now is that, yes, they do image scanning. Everybody in the security space right now for containers does image scanning, they do CV lookups, they do, you know, Api management to some degree. Right the big thing that they have added to this, though, apparently as intrusion detection. Right now, in traditional intrusion detection systems, you know, a macafee or semantic type solution or OSC none of that stuff works with Coupernetti's. So for red had to come out and say, not only are we adding security features, but we're actually going to give you an intrusion to teching system which, if my memory serves. Is really only one other name in town in regards to Kuberneaties for that, and that's cystig. For them to be boldly going into that space and doing that as well as part of a bundled solution, I think is really comprehensive and is going to open up a lot of opportunities for some of these enterprise grade customers that are looking to have all the tools are going to need rather...

...than to kind of hojhposh put a solution together and again they're going to get something that's almost impossible to get anywhere else right now. Right. So how is this going to impact customers? What a customers need to be thinking about. So I think it depends obviously on the customer size. I think, you know, they're obviously competing with other KUBERNETTI solutions out there. There's, you know, the the cloud based embedded ones. There's these other open source fenders that are coming out with different solutions are of you know or prominent in the space. But what's interesting is, depending on the size of the organization you're looking for it, or at least a size and aid to the organization, you're looking for different things. Right some organizations come in and they come up with a very get opps model. They're going to be highly, you know, focused and concentrate and how they make Cubernetti's is cost effective and as lean as possible. Right. And then other organizations are going to come in and they're a traditional it shop and they want to leverage tumunities for the added benefit of scalability and getting a, you know, PAS like environment in an on premis enclave or even in a hybrid cloud enclave. Right. And so for them, those kind of clients especially, they're going to look for a prebake solution that has everything they need in it. They're not going to want to Hojj posh grab all these individual components to try and manage and maintain them together. They're going to need something that's comprehensive, that gives a separation between Devon ops and even provides, again, that feedback to the security team, which is not what traditionally coubernatis has been known for. In fact, this is an area that has been lacking in people have been trying to fill in the gaps. Groups like Aqua, SAC twist lock, they've been trying to get into that space. And try and help make it more comprehensive and secure. Right. But there's areas that have been clearly lacking from some providers, and again it goes back to for at least from my perspective, the most unique thing to call out here is that intrusion detection capability. Now, what I'm interested to see is what that actually looks like. Right, we've seen...

...from one other vendor, like I said before, intrude detection get implemented in a very particular way. But intrusion detection is one of these things that it can be implemented in an anomalous way, like if we looking for anomalies, are we looking for pattern based problems that we're trying to prevent? What that looks like and how well it gets implemented, we don't know yet, and I think that once that's been valid in the market it's going to have driven a lot of adoption, because that's one of the biggest thing holding large enterprises back from Cuernetti's right now is what are we going to do from security, because our security people don't understand this platform at all. They're used to traditional it. They're not used to say, yeah, I think it's going to be fascinating to watch this space in the next twelve months. You know, the customers that I'm speaking to where they want to spend their money is is insecurity. This is a really nice move by my red hat in my opinion. So the next announcement I want to ask you about is open shift data science. So this was announced and you know, the key ideas here is around speeding up data science by developing, training and testing AI and ML models in a public clouds and box. So red hats seeing an opportunity here to help these teams develop and test their models and provide a bit more of a platform to perhaps accelerate this. I think the details are still coming out around this, but it's an interesting move. What are your thoughts and how might this help or impact customers? It's interesting for sure. The one thing I'll say is that data science is it's a unique field for red happy because it hasn't been traditionally what they've been known for. Right they've been known a lot for, obviously Linux. They've been learned heavily in the Java, you know, middleware space in a big way in the automation space. So it's a little bit of a branch away from what they've traditionally been known for doing. However, again I've Yeah Right, IBM has been known in this space with Watson and similar technologies that they've put out, right. So the what gets...

...interesting here is that data science, yes, is hard, but there's really two different things you have to do in a data science field. There's building out the actual data science. So the mathematicians, you got to go build the unsupervisor supervised learning models for whatever it is they're trying to solve. Whether you know they're trying to look at linear aggression or not, line aggression miles, doesn't really matter, right, because that's one side of it, and D at's not telling customers we're going to solve your modeling problem right. That's not what they're trying to do. What they're trying to do is make it easier to get to the point of doing data modeling right and in implementing those things. So what they're trying to do, at least from what it looks like, is bring the tools that are, I would say, difficult at best to integrate in a COUPERNETTI's environment together up front, so that way, rather than having to go okay, I'm going to go get, you know, Jupiter notebooks and tensorflow and all these other things and put them together in my own environment. They're going to be pre baked and supported together and then I can just start doing my data science things. So just becomes another work love you do in their cluster. Now to your point, I think there's a lot of unknowns right now. We do know Jew Burd of notebooks, Pie Torch and a couple other things are going to be in there. We do know that starburst galaxy is one of the partners IBM Watson, of course, and Aconda is going to be partnered with them. So we know there's things that are coming, but we don't know what the integration quite looks like. Yet again. I presume it's going to be something like a cohesive developer experience across these tools, kind of like what they do with satellite or what they've done in the past with, you know, say like Jaboss br mask. So they're all, you know, what is it called now, platform automation management, right where they're ultimately trying to make it a cohesive experience where you're not trying to piece together these solutions. I imagine it going that way,...

...but we really don't know what it's going to look like and it is a different business unit, I presume, that's building this out. So I think there's a lot that remains to be seen, but I'm excited for it. The one thing I thought that was great to note, though, is that they're trying to build in the features of being able to connect to a GPU live on demand, even if you're in a virtual machine. So who cares about that? Right? Ai Machine learning people, they care about getting access to the direct hardware that's going to make their lives and computations faster and more performant, whereas traditionally people have put containers, although yes, they can operate without a hypervisor for security reasons, people of traditionally put them inside of a virtual machine. Right. So to give you the added benefit of, even though you're in a virtual machine and a container, being able to potentially talk to directly to a GPU in from its hardware perspective, I think opens up a lot of doors it, least that's where they're alluding to now. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but that's the way it's been alluded to in their articles. So right, it's going to be exciting to follow as more details emerge. On to our last adount spent here. You know red hat, so the spent a number of sessions talking about red hat edge. You know, red hat solution for the edge. You know this is being billed as you know, use the same enterprise open source platforms that you're used to using. You know, just deployed closer to where your daughter is collected, ie the edge. You know they're really billing this is the open edge, you know, similar to the open hybrid cloud. Still some details to come out. What are your thoughts? What should customies be considering in relation to this announcement? I think it's really broad and I think that's going to be beneficial and also hurtful to their messaging. Right, we're right now at the point where we have to define what the edge means. Right, people in different industries have a lot of different terminologies for what the word edge means. I relate this is best back to cloud as humanly possible. Right.

We have, you know, software service, infrastruer service platform as service. That that as a service, data basis as a service. Right. There's all these different as a service components that we've slowly but surely broken out into these subcategories so when someone says the word cloud, we know what the heck they're talking about. Right. Edge has not gotten there yet, and I think that red hat saying we have an edge solution or we're coming out with red hat edge is great from a marketing perspective because a lot of people are like, well, we have edge problems that we need to get solved. But what's challenging about this is that no one has defined what the different verticals that we would you know our lines of separation for what edge mean? You you can consider any form of IOT. The edge is a power line outside. The edge is your car, the edge is a mobile device, the edge is your refrigerator, the edge right like the edge is the edge. So and because of that there's so much different. What's the best way I can board this differences or variations into what or how that edge unit is implemented? Is it even based on x at six? Right, from an architecture perspective, is it arm based? So, from a hardware perspective, the hardware looks entirely different from the what's available, not even just from like the architecture, but how much memory or CPU is even possible at the edge is going to vary so much based on the industry we're talking about right. So in my opinion, I think it's interesting that red hat wants to approaches and I think it's smart that they're trying to position themselves to be the solver for a orchestration system on the edge. But I think that they need to define what the edge is within the first twelve months of starting to position this market wise, because otherwise it's just going to go by the wayside of like,...

...what are we actually solving for? What are we doing, and it'll get overly complex as to what try problem trying to solve. They might walk into a customer and be a perfect fit and then walk into another customer and the customer was what you're defining in the edge is not what we defined. Is the edge? So I think market leaders, this is how the cloud got big, right. The word cloud got big. Market leaders push the technology to the gap and then they had to start to finding out the segmentations as to what they're referring to. Somebody's got to do it. Somebody's got to say we're solving edge problems and they got to start breaking out these subcategories as to what it is they're referring to, and maybe that's red hat's job to solve, or maybe it's multiple organizations trying to get into the space. Yeah, hey, interest in thoughts? Derek? Thanks for joining us here on the red hat executive briefing. We've touched on open shift plus, open shift, data science and red hat edge. Any final thoughts for a listeners, keep tuning in. Man, I'm excited for what's to come next. I hope you guys are. We try and keep it real here and were trying to keep you guys informed on what's best. All right, thanks, Derek. For those that don't know, shadow soft, we are a cubinatis and cloud systems integrada. We've been a red hat partner for the last thirteen years and we really focus on helping customers modernize their applications in their infrastructure so that they can scale, move fast and drive cost savings. Till next time. Thanks for joining us. Application modernization is sponsored by Red Hat, the world's leading provider of enterprise open source solutions, including high performing Linux, cloud, container and COUBERNETTI's technologies. THANKS FOR LISTENING TO APPLICATION MODERNIZATION A podcast for high growth software companies. Don't forget to subscribe to the show on your favorite podcast player so you never miss an episode. And if you use apple podcasts,...

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