Red Hat Summit Executive Briefing w/ Derrick Sutherland

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In today’s episode, we’re breaking down major announcements from the Red Hat Summit

Derrick Sutherland, Senior Practice Manager at Shadow-Soft, joins the show to provide his take on the news.

Topics covered:

  • How Red Hat OpenShift Platform Plus will impact customers
  • Red Hat’s move into data science
  • What customers should understand about Red Hat Edge

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You are listening to applicationmodernization, a show that spotlights the forward thinking, leaders of HighGros software companies from scaling applications and accelerating time tomarket, to avoiding expensive license and costs. we discuss how you caninnovate with new technology in forward thinking processes and save some cashin the process. Let's get into it. Thanks for joining the application,modernization podcast, we have something new for you. Today we have acouple of our team members talking about some of the new changes rolledout with open shift plus from Red Hat. These are exciting feature sets thatare being rolled out to the community to help with the adoption of Cubantesfrom Red Hat perspective, we spend a lot of time at shadoof, focusing on redhat technologies and helping customers adopt their technologies to help solvebusiness problems. So today, you'll hear from Derek and from Ross on ourteam talking about the announcements and the changes and how that couldimpact customers going for thanks to red hat for their continued support ofthe application. Modernization podcast, hey, Derek welcome to our red HATexecutive briefing. He men, thanks for having me so derek we're going to spendsome time today, recapping some key announcements from red hat summit andyou're, going to speak to your point of view on some of these announcements.Before we get started, can you introduce yourself and tell us a bitmore about what you do at Chatoo? Yes, so I'm Derick Sutherland I've been atshadoof for seven years as of yesterday. Actually, my role currently is enactingas a senior practice leader, which essentially means that I oversee all ofour consulting engagements from a technical perspective and a customersuccess perspective. So I'm involved at the dvance level, troubleshootingassessments, advisement around architecture, design and all the thingsin between right. So that's mainly what I focus awesome. So the firstannouncement that we heard at red hat...

...summit was around open shift. Plus youknow my understanding of this new solution is: it includes red hats,advanced multi, cluster security features day to management,capabilities and a global container registry, and it really it builds onthe red hat, open shift platform and provides sort of more security for Devsech ops. What are your thoughts on this announcement? How do you thinkit's going to impact customers yeah? So I think it's it's a little bit morethan just the features here right when red at a few months ago release theiropen ship cuperet engine referencing right. They made esentially twodifferent tiers for their platform, the cuperet engine and the containerplatform, but I think what they quickly realized is that they wanted anothertear up, because if you watch what red hat's done- and maybe even the lasteighteen months to two years, they've tried to create more bundle likefeatures out of their product or fully, and I don't know if that's because theacquisition of IBM or what actually you know was the catalyst for that. I wouldthink it as some in some relation to that right, but it's worked for the Jboss portfolio. You know that jam boss, yeah, I think we can all agree at thispoint- is not necessarily what red hat has been wanting it to be in themicrosec space, and so what they've instead done is they've, expand it tobe three different categories that include everything from you know. Themicro service pace language is like Orcus and Spring boot right and thenextending that even further to have automation packages and it all as abundled tearing effect, will seems that with open shift plus they're doing thesame thing, they're making me third tier in their open shift packagingright, so they have okay, which essentially is open, shifts, cuperetengine by itself with horrors, some administrative, consoling and then theopen ship virtualization built in. But what it lacks in that version is thelog aggregation system, the developer...

...experience. You know there service,mash implementation, things like that to make it a more cohesive, cupiesecosystem. Well, open ship plus just builds upon that because there's otherthings developers have needed in engineers have needed outside of thosetoolings part of it has been the contained Er registry, which is quay,which is now baked in with that bundled package, rather than being a separatesolution, a bigger one that I would call out as ACM, actually which forthose listening ACM is advanced coster manager right. So that's what allowsyou to do open shift at scale across multiple clusters, management to makeyour life a lot easier. That was always an ad on, but now it's included as partof a larger bundle, and I think the one thing you dig may mention to that. Ithink is really interesting. Here is the advanced coster security, which Godannounced technically, I think in February, but it was its own kind ofthing and we didn't know how it was going to get bundled or how I was goingto get put out there. But now it's a part of open ship plus and what'sunique about this, I or I shouldn't necessarily necessay unique, but Iwould allude to the fact that they're differentiating themselves in the spaceright now is that, yes, they do image scanning everybody in the securityspace right African Teners, dude image canning, they do CB lookups. They do.You Know Api management to some degree right. The big thing that they haveadded to this, though, apparently, is intrusion, detection right now,traditional intrusion, detection systems. You know a macatee semantictype of solution or o S. none of that stuff works with Cuperet is so for redhat to come out and say: not only are we adding security features, but we'reactually going to give you an intrusion attacking system which, if my memoryserves, is really only one other name in town in regard to Couperai, for thatand that sisting for them to be boldly going into that space and doing that aswell. A part of a bundled solution, I think, is really comprehensive and isgoing to open up a lot of opportunities for some of these enterprise gradecustomers that are looking to have all...

...the tools are going to need, ratherthan to kind of Hash, posh, put a solution together and again, they'regoing to get something, that's almost impossible to get anywhere else rightnow, right right. So how is this going to impact customers? What a customersneed to be thinking about, so I think it depends obviously on the customersize, I think you know they're, obviously competing with other cubanatesolutions out there there's you know the cloud based in bedded ones. There'sthese other open source fenders that are coming out with different solutionsare of, you know, are prominent in the space, but what's interesting isdepending on the size of the organization you're, looking for or atleast a size and age of the ordination you're. Looking for different thingsright, some organizations come in and they come up with a very get ops model.They're going to be highly, you know focused and concentrator a how theymake cubites is cost effective and as lean as possible, right and then otherorganizations are going to come in and they're a traditional it shop and theywant to leverage companies for the added benefit of scale ability andgetting a you know, past, like environment, in an on premise, claver,even in a hybrid cloud on clave right and so for them. Those kind of clients,especially they're, going to look for a pre bake solution that has everythingthey need in it. They're not going to want to Hash Podge, grab all theseindividual components and try and manage and maintain them together,they're going to need something, that's comprehensive! That gives a separationbetween Devin OPS and even provides again that feedback to the securityteam, which is not what traditionally curates has been known for. In fact,this is an area that has been lacking and people have been trying to fill inthe gaps groups like aquae twist lock they've been trying to get into thatspace and try and help make it more comprehensive and secure right. Butthere's areas that have been clearly lacking from some providers and againit goes back to at least from my perspective. The most unique thing tocall out here is that intrusion a taction capability. Now, what I'minterested to see is what that actually looks like right. We've seen from oneother vendor, like I said before,...

...intrusion on detection get implementedin a very particular way, but intrusion detection is one of these things thatit could be implemented in an anomalous way like. Are we looking for anomalies?Are we looking for pattern based problems that we're trying to preventwhat that looks like and how? Well it gets implemented it? We don't know yet,and I think that once that's been valid in the market, it's going to havedriven a lot of adoption, because that's one of the biggest thing holdinglarge enterprises back from Cuperet S. right now is what are we going to dofrom security, because our security people don't understand this platformat all they're used to traditional it they're not used to this yeah. I thinkit's going to be fascinating to watch this space in the next twelve months.You know the customers that I'm speaking to where they want to spendtheir money is insecurity. This is a really nice move by my red hat, in myopinion, so the next announcement I want to ask you about is open shiftdata science. So this was announced- and you know the the key ideas here isaround speeding up data science by developing training and testing AI andML models in a public cloud sand box, so red at seeing an opportunity here tohelp these teams develop and test theirmodels and provide a bit more of a platform to perhaps accelerate this. Ithink the details are still coming out around this, but it's an interestingmove. What are your thoughts and how might this help or impact customers?It's interesting for sure. The one thing I'll say is that data science isit's a unique field for red hap because it isn't a been traditionally whatthey've been known for right, they've been own a lot for, obviously, Linuxthey've been earning heavily in the job of you, know: Middle Wares, ace and abig way in the automation space. So it's a little bit of a branch away fromwhat they've traditionally been known for doing. However, again, I'm himright, IBM has been known in this space with Watson and similar technologiesthat they've put out right. So the what...

...gets interesting here is that datascience, yes, is hard, but there's really two different things. You haveto do in a date since field there's building out the actual data science,so the mathematicians got to go, build unsupervised, supervise learning modelsfor whatever it is to trying to solve whether you know they're trying to lookat linear regression or not lone. Your grisha miles doesn't really matterright, because that's one side of it and read: That's not telling customerswe're going to solve your modeling problem right. That's not what they'retrying to do what they're trying to do is make it easier to get to the pointof doing data modeling right and in implementing those things. So whatthey're, trying to do, at least from what it looks like, is bring the toolsthat are, I would say, difficult at best to integre in a coupon etesenvironment together up front so that way, rather than having to go okay, I'mgonna go get you know, Jupiter notebooks in tenser flow and all theseother things and put them together. In my own environment, they're going to bepre, baked and supported together, and then I can just start doing my datasince things so just becomes another work, love you do in their cluster. Now,to your point, I think there's a lot of unknowns right now we do know Jupiter,no books, Pie Torch and a couple of other things are going to be in there.We do know that star Bor Galaxy is one of the partners. Idem Watson, of course,and a Conda is going to be partner with them. So we know there's things thatare coming, but we don't know what the integration quite looks like. Yet again,I presume it's going to be something like a cohesive developer experienceacross these tools, kind of like what they do with satellite or what they'vedone in the past, with you know, say like j boss, Bras so they're a you know.What is it called now be platform, automation, management right wherethey're ultimately trying to make it a cohesive experience where you're nottrying to piece together these solutions. I imagine it going that way,but we really don't know what it's...

...going to look like and it is adifferent business unit. I presume that's building this out, so I thinkthere's a lot that remains to be seen, but I'm excited for it. The one thing Ithought that was great to note, though, is that they're trying to build in thefeatures of being able to connect to a GP live on Demande, even if you're in avirtual machine. So who cares about that right? Ai MachineLearning people thank care about getting access to the direct hardware,that's going to make their lives and computations faster and more performant,whereas traditionally people have put containers, although, yes, they canoperate without a hypervisor for security reasons, people havetraditionally put them inside of a virtual machine right. So to give youthe added benefit of, even though you're in a virtual machine and in acontainer being able to potentially talk directly to a GP from its hardwareperspective, I think opens up a lot of doors, at least that's what they'realluding to now. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but that's the way it's been alluded toin their articles. So right, it's going to be exciting to follow as moredetails emerge on to our last adaunt spent. Here you know red hat to thespent. You know a number of sessions talking about red hat edge in a red hatsolution for the edge. You know this is being built, as you know, use the sameenterprise open source platforms that you're used to using you know justdeploy closer to where your daughter is collected, I the edge. You know they're,really billing. This is the open edge. You know similar to the open, hybridcloud, still some details to come out. What are your thoughts? What shouldcustomers be considering in relation to this announcement? I think it's really broad and I thinkthat's going to be beneficial and also hurtful to their messaging right, we'reright now at the point where we have to define what the edge meansright. People in different industries have a lot of different terminologiesfor what the word edge means I relate.

This is best back to cloud as humanlypossible right. We have. You, know Software De Service in fetterservice platform as a service that God, as a service data basis as a serviceright, there's all these different as a service components that we've slowly but surely broken out into thesub categories. So on someone is the word cloud, we know what the heckthey're talking about right edge has not gotten married, and I think thatred at saying we have an edge solution were coming out with red hat edge isgreat from a marketing perspective, because a lot of people are like. Well,we have edge problems that we need to get solved, but what's challengingabout this is that no one has defined what the different verticals that wewould you know or lines of separation, for what edge mean you C N, you canconsider any form of io t the edge is a power line outside the edge. Is Yourcar, the edge is a mobile device. The edge is your refrgera or the edge rightlike the edge, is the edge so and because of that, there's so muchdifferent. What's the best way, I can word this differences or variationsinto what or how that edge unit is implemented, isn't even based on x atsix right from an architecture perspective. Is it arm based? So from ahardware perspective, the hard ware looks entirely different from thewhat's available, not even just from like the architecture, but how muchmemory or CPU is even possible at the edge is going to vary so much based onthe industry. We're talking about right. So, in my opinion, I think it'sinteresting that red hat wants to approaches, and I think it's smart-that they're trying to position themselves to be the solver for aorchestration system on the edge, but I think that they need to define what theedge is within the first twelve months of starting to position this marketwise, because otherwise it's just going...

...to go by the way side of like what arewe actually solving for? What are we doing and it'll get overly complex asto what trynor they're trying to solve? They might walk into a customer and bea perfect fit and then walk into another customer, and the customer waswhat you're defining is the edge is not what we defined is the edge. So I think market leaders. This is how the cloudgot big right. The Ward cloud got big market leaders pushed the technology tothe gap and then they had to start to finding out the segmentation as to whatthey're referring to somebody's got to do it somebody's got to say we'resolving edge problems and they got to start breaking out these sub categoriesas to what it is they're referring to, and maybe that's red hatch job to solve,or maybe it's multiple organizations try to get into this space. Yeah, heyinteresting thoughts, derick thanks for joining us here on the red hatexecutive briefing, we've touched on open shift plus open shift data,science and Red Hat CH. Any final thoughts for Alisone keep tuning in man.I'm excited for what's to come next. I hope you guys are we try and keep itreal here or we trying to keep you guys informed on what's best all right,thanks dereck for those that don't know Chatoo, we are a Cubantes and cloudsystems. Integrator we've been a red hat partner for the last thirteen yearsand we really focus on helping customers modernize their applicationsin their infrastructure so that they can scale move faster and drive costsavings till next time. Thanks for joining US application, modernization is sponsoredby Red Hat the world's leading provider of enterprise, open source solutions,including high performing Linux cloud container and cup Brunetti'stechnologies. Thanks for listening to application, modernization, a podcastfor high growth software companies, don't forget to subscribe to the showon your favorite podcast player. So you...

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